For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple., The word mark is from (skopeo) which means to look at, behold, watch, contemplate; which is used metaphorically of looking to. It is used (Romans 16:17) of a warning against those who cause divisions, and in (Philippians 3:17) of observing those who walk uprightly that Christians might choose to walk after the example of the apostle and his fellow workers. It comes across as VERY condescending, haughty, and insulting, as if you are laughing at someone who is too stupid to go elsewhere. He just kept inviting me out with his team for coffee. I just wrapped up finals in Folk Religion & Animism at a fully accredited Christian university. Heres what it means for your church, Beth Moore on overcoming abuse, growing a worldwide ministry and leaving her beloved denomination, Kemi Badenoch is right to defend Kate Forbes from religious intolerance, My daughters heart stopped as I watched on helplessly, I went to Mallorca to party. You said Ill call it straight to their face. My point is you HAVENT. THE PANDEMIC HAS CAUSED PEOPLE TO DRIFT FROM CHURCHITS TIME FOR US ALL TO CHECK OUR MARKERS. 2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them. 32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: 33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? In the years since, youve been pretty busy. But perhaps Christine Caines best known and most worrisome bond is with false (Word of Faith) teacher Joyce Meyer. Xoxox. The people who write the articles on this site may share some truth, but they definitely twist scripture more than the false prophets they write about, as well as make loads of accusations with no documentation. Instead of this kind of criticism, you should do as they do, pick a subject on your experiences, teach & encourage pole to walk in Jesus Christ. Return to homepage. (?) What are our motives in the confrontation? A lot of us have drifted from that call of discipleship. 5,107 posts. I think this is a site for pharisees. That fact indicates that false teaching is just as much a disciplinable offense as sexual immorality. I imagine you would get a lot more done for the kingdom of you stopped pointing the finger at people and just started loving till it hurts. I dont believe it. Parting question: did you see The Shack? Christine Caine partners with heretics, promotes them, and endorses them. God looks out for us all, dont you agree? Its not quantity its quality, in this case the everlasting Gospels, unadulterated and preached exegetically.. something that neither Meyer or Caine does. We need to get that place where we can rest in Christ and get our identity and value in Him and not in media or other people. Paul even confronted Peter to his face about his hypocrisy in front of the fellowship. I Love Christine Caines sermons Not you or anyone else will stop me from listening to her .. HAVE a nice blessed day , Maybe this doesnt have anything to do with the subject I know is that Christine came convinced my girlfriend that her parents were going to die if she didnt give her money and she ended up giving her entire savings on top of that Christine Caine told my girlfriend that her parents also had to give money but her parents did not want to give money so she tried to steal it from them and then got caught after that she bore owed money to give to christines king and Im talking thousands of dollars this is what Christine Caine did to me And my girlfriend I didnt know anything about it until it was all done Meanwhile Im watching my girlfriend go through hell because she wants all this money to give to Christine Caine anyway she possibly can get it she has turned into a nut case and there doesnt seem to be anything I can do about it so here I am Making my comment. Jesus called the Pharisees out to their faces. If your soul has been wounded before you come to Christ, it will likely still be wounded immediately after. Anti-trafficking work, church planting, womens networks, speaking, writing is there any part of life that you dont want to tackle? Christine Caine is a member-leader in a doctrinally heretical word-faith church. Pressing on in todays culture is costly. When I tore my ACL while downhill skiing, the pain was excruciating, but nothing like the physical therapy afterward. Presumably, Apollos responded favorably to their correction such that Paul would later identify Apollos as a co-laborer in preaching the gospel (1 Cor. Michelle, if the Christ you follow is the Christ that Christine Caine espouses, then its not the Christ of the Bible. If you know scripture you could in an instance see where Christine Caine is wrong. The scripture tells us that we ought to have in mind the best interests of both the flock and the false teachers. I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars . So we can correct any mistakes before permanent post? My life was as far away from God at that point as you could imagine [but] I went into this seminar, and this dude speaks the gospel in a way that was just so profound to me. http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/09/18/false-prophets-and-teachers/, Wow all I have to say is thank God he will be judging me & not you people All I see you doing here is turning people away from God spewing such hate, who are you to judge? It is for God to judge and not for people. I understand a loving nudge in the right direction from a truly loving soul whos purpose in life is to point people towards heaven. The act of circle marking is occult in nature period. Together with her husband, Nick, they founded Equip & Empower Ministries, A21, Propel Women, and Zoe Churches. Discernment The apostle John addresses such a scenario in 2 John and 3 John. Whether you point that out or not. 3For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. 4So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.. Wow. All three companies are registered in England & Wales with a registered office address of Unit 6 April Court, Sybron Way, Crowborough, TN6 3DZ . Futurism/Transhumanism Eschatology (End Times) Have the fruit of the Spirit in your marriage. Please show us where we have been prideful. Christ and Paul confronted people DIRECTLY. 11 Net worth of US$300 million. The Holy Spirit is in all of us and Big enough to show you truth. Progressive (Social Justice) Christianity Emergent Church The key word: DIRECTLY. His Greek Orthodox family live in poverty in Australia where they immigrated. It is difficult not to be inspired by her passion for Jesus and her unwavering belief that God is still in the business of doing what the Bible says hes always done. During the interview, Christine shared the story of how, at the age of . How can anyone hear the voice of the Holy Spirit with all these self proclaimed wise know it alls. Im sure they used scriptures to defend themselveswhich ones did they use? Rather than writing about her on message boards, I encourage you to follow Matthew 18 and attempt to reach her directly (her website, her social media accounts, her ministry, her appearancesincluding one in Chicago this week). Whats your take on it? Mans heart is deceitful, and beyond cure..Jeremiah 17:9. O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Paul has a word to those who are pastors and who aspire to be a pastor. I need to follow the scripture, which means to start off with lovingly going to them one-on-one, then taking a witness, and then taking it before the church. #Disappointment #Moving #Mean "God is able to take the mess of our past and turn it into a message. 2:11, 14). But dont call him a missionary, Matt Redman: Reverence in worship has become my lifelong pursuit. How did they respond? We asked Matt Redman what listeners can expect from Lamb of God, how he defines success and why we need to be singing more about the holiness of God. Is there any significance attached to the fact that Aquila is not named first every time, but equally shares mention with his wife? Im helping girls in the A21 transition homes who have been brutally abused and raped and are so shame-filled, helping them find their identity in Christ and stand on their own two feet, she told Hope 103.2, [but] Ive seen some of those same shame struggles in some of the most successful women, that battle with the shame of trying to balance life, thinking Im at the office too much and Im not the mother or wife I could be or girls that are in their mid 30s or 40s and are single and struggling with shame over that. And thank you for giving us a forum in which to teach the Scriptures and have healthy debate.. She said its on ongoing process to stay emotionally strong. You cant see the difference between calling someone out for false teaching or calling someone out for being a woman in charge. You think this would say some kind of socialized when it isnt. I know there is a BIBLICAL way of calling someone out for false teaching, and anonymously posting on a site behind their backs is NOT IT. In other words, false teachers become subject to the churchs discipline. There are no super-Christians, theres an amazing God. I was born for this time - and so were you. Why cant you say hey, its great you are working on your evangelismhere are some better resources I recommend because of ___? . To enjoy our website, you'll need to enable JavaScript in your web browser. There is an honesty about Christine Caine that is rare in high-profile leaders. Its so sad I just cant un see all this bologna you all have a blessed life Ill pray for you In Jesus name, Karen, I completely agree with you. It amazes me all her supporters can only base their drive-by comments on dont judge, presupposing what God does while ignoring His written word, or the Love syndrome, we all need love, we must love, God is only about love, Jesus is only about love, youre not loving if youre judging. 5; 2 Cor. We must allow or error otherwise we cannot trully attend any church because as soon as we walk in there is sin and error. Seems to me that a dozen apostles brought the message to millions. In both texts, Paul hands someone over to Satan. You seem to be very confident that your approach is Biblical, and in the end, that is what really matters. Christ and Paul confronted people DIRECTLY. This is such a mess. Nobody talked about that stuff. She is an ordained pastor and functions in that capacity. Coordination with the international . . 30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt. I'm basically a Greek Orthodox mother's nightmare: I didn't marry until I was 30, didn't have my first child until I was 35, and I travel the world and teach the Bible. Dont sit back and have others do the work for you. ! We name names not because we have issues personally with the person, but the teaching which we are absolutely supposed to judge against scripture. The mum-of-two, who is now 50 years old, said it took 50 years to write Unashamed, because she has spent many years overcoming her shame and being confident in her own skin. IF YOU ARE PRAYING TO SAINTS, MARY, WELL THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT DEDICATED THEIR LIVES TO CHRIST, AS SHOULD WE, BUT NOT WORSHIP THEM. During the many moments that she sat in waiting rooms, Caine also questioned why some people had it worse than her and why waiting rooms are not seen as ministry opportunities by many. . Hope youll give us another try and check out some other articles. I used to come on sites like this and tear down women like Joyce Meyer and Christine Caine, much like you do. To pray for Gods blessing on such a false teacher is expressly forbidden, and to do so is to ask God to bless apostasy and heresy. Kudos to the author for speaking out. So I am just not comfortable speaking about ministries or people I have not had interactions with. Christians are commanded not to worry, as we know our God is bigger than any situation, we are to lay at His feet ALL of our cares, He provides. 2023 BGEA Paula White considers Christine a friend, as does Sheryl Brady. Get them into the boat. Heck, Christine taught me to get more diligent about making disciples and you found a way to completely trash that. People who post here are haters and not lovers of Christ! Apology appreciated. Pardon me, but I need to focus WAY more on that before someone else. Youre sitting behind a keyboard, hiding behind the well others did the confronting for me argument, which just isnt in scripture. Just like peter you dont know what spirit you are speaking from. Besides usurping the pastor role, her teachings are not biblical. Word of Faith is what Gods Word is!! It cost me everything to go forward with Jesus. If they persist despite the warnings and either dont have a husband to oversee them, have no proper oversight from a husband who has abdicated his duty, or who just are or are married to a discernment klutz, then various scriptures say either to admonish them strongly a third time and/or to break fellowship. There is some speculation regarding Lydias social status. I could not have said it better. Because women did not possess the same equality rights as modern women, it appears unusual that Lydia would be capable of inviting a group of foreign men to her house without a mans consent. Dinsdale Young thinks that Priscilla may have been a believer before her husband, and that she won him for the Lord by her chaste conversation, or that perhaps hers was a primacy of character and service, or a more conspicuous intellectual ability, or that she may have been of nobler birth and social quality than Aquila. 1:19-20). I just remember holding that toilet brush and doing it as unto God with a passion. Women are not meant to be in these positions. 19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. I really hope no one reads this and takes it seriously. They called people out TO THEIR FACES, whether in speech or by letter. What about Ruth? Let me ask you, are Cain and Meyer repentant? BGEA is a registered 501(c)(3) non-profit organization. Christine Caine. I am sure Satan is loving the lack of unity and twisting of scripture this article represents. (2 Peter 3:16). You seem to have sincere concerns, so what does anonymously posting about them online do? Simon the Magician tired to grab the power of the Spirit the wrong way and he was cursed for it. We pay our respects to Elders past, present and future. The apostle Paul tells us that we ought to correct false teachers in the hope that God might change their mind about their error. Did you know that Lydia and Priscilla are both listed BEFORE their husbands in the book of Acts because the writing style of the day indicated listing the LEADER of the household FIRST? And this is very encouraging & very helpful to a whole lot of pole who have been hurt. I do not know you to question your faith or beliefs, but based on what I have read, I do question your motive. Premier Christianity uses cookies Read our cookie policy. We must refute and point to the truth! Life is too short, the world is too big and God's love is too great to live ordinary. Caine reportedly copied entire portions of Scott's book, forcing Scott to take legal action to settle the issue. She has preached at the aforementioned Hillsong, T.D. I ask these questions in curiosity as Im truly baffled by the material I find here and all in the name of the same Christ that I follow. In today's world real hope is hard to find. Colombes. Christine Caine usurps male authority and rebels against the clear word of the Bible. You seem to love uprooting absolutely EVERYTHING someone has learneddo you WANT to leave them with nothing? I dont recall anyone telling you to shut up and do as Im told, you my friend have a chip on your shoulder, and are having a hard time distinguishing between false gospel, womens rights, and your perceive notion of what is biblical and what isnt. Pastored by @ericbgeiger. Nothing loving here as far as i can see. Why Cant Us Men Tell Each Other How We Feel. Caine says her treatment became a "series of tests, ultrasounds, more tests" but it was during this time that she was able to see her situation through a different perspective, she explains. Click here for instructions on how to enable JavaScript in your browser. I know because the simple fact that you believe Confused as why you added, traveling without her husband. What lessons have you learned about partnering well in marriage and ministry? Joel Osteen & Oprah partners Joel promotes her LIFECLASS IAM Little Gods doctorine. Those who persist in false teaching present grave spiritual danger and must be opposed. We recognise their continuing connection to the land and waters, and thank them for protecting this land and its ecosystems since time immemorial. My birth certificate doesnt have a name on it. The doctrine Christine Caine subscribes to and teaches is Word of Faith (prosperity gospel) heresy. Christine Caine partners with heretics, promotes them, and endorses them. Its not about who is qualified, whether they are male or female, whether they have gone to college for decades or even if they arent human. Life and death is in the power of the tongue.nothing wrong with positive prayers and claiming blessings over our children. John says that the congregation has a responsibility to refuse all support for such teachers. And so that, as you could imagine, messed me up. If Im going to follow him, Ive got to deny myself, take up my cross. Paul even confronted Peter to his face about his hypocrisy in front of the fellowship. Public confrontation ought to be animated by a desire to protect Gods people from being led astray by teaching that is spiritually and morally harmful to them (Acts 20:28). 3. God bless. I site that purposes to tear down people that are of the faith. As a matter of fact, Christines call for women to lean in to evangelism in this day and age and to NOT allow the politically chaotic environment to distract or discourage us from our calling to make disciples inspired me to examine the last time I led a lost soul to Christ. Luke 19:39-40 3 9Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Jesus, Teacher, rebuke your disciples! 40I tell you, he replied, if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out.. . I was born in Sydney, Australia. So you never know. Alison Jones: Dear precious Christian. Thats the sign of a person whos self-promoting through public pugnacity. Additionally, Christine has close relationships with Beth Moore and Priscilla Shirer, frequently sharing the stage or partnering with both. Im only ever one thought away from thinking how I used to think, she said. You can hear a thousand sermons on destiny and purpose and God having a plan for your lifeplans for good and not for evilbut if you come at that with a shame-based nature, then deep down you can never believe God could use you. 2005 - sept. 20105 ans 9 mois. In the six references where both are mentioned, the name of Priscilla comes first in three instances, and Aquila first in the other three. In 2016, Christian author Carey Scott was the victim of plagiarism by a major celebrityinternational speaker and evangelist Christine Caine. They are not the true church. Jakes conferences, Joel Osteen conferences, Bethel conferences, at Perry Nobles church, Robert Morris church and conferences, Rick Warrens church, and Steven Furticks church and conferences (all to co-ed audiences) just to name a few. Worse, she enjoys teaching young women to step into leadership roles that scripture forbids and is unashamed to say so. When nobody else would stay and clean up, I swept the floors. How is what you are doing here promoting the gospel of truth? As Priscilla is always paired with her husband, Aquila, it is difficult to separate her and place her on a pedestal of her own. I think we have to be careful here. No we would feel convicted bc that symbol was created for the very purpose of rebelling against God. And on my not-so-great days I can spiral into a pit like anyone else. Dont trust your heart, trust God. Reading the context as to the time that Timothy was written, women then were NOT allowed to be nor were they educated and that is WHY they were not supposed to teach Gods word. SO MANY THINGS WE CALL BIBLICAL ARE JUST CULTURAL, For those that have not come across you before, tell us a little about yourself. they are still teaching the gospel and people are coming to Christ. And for that I am so thankful. Or, as SBTS President Dr Al Mohler put it, a prosperity movement for millennialsthat minimizes the Gospel content and diffuses a presentation of spirituality instead. (Marin) I know Im glad Manny and Amy dont have a heaven or hell to put people in, because it sounds like theyd throw Lydia and Priscilla in. I would beseech you to dump Caine and sit down with a bible and rethink what you have been taught. 35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses. is one of many scriptures that come to mind, I love that you are always willing to name names, as we are required to do in Romans 16:17. But what we see with most of these women that are rising in popularity is what appears to be a female dominant role in their personal marriages. 7 Woe unto the world because of offences! I am WAY too busy aligning my own life with the scriptures to spend too much time pointing fingers at others. When we share our story through the lens of God's work in our lives, our experience becomes a testimony to who He is. Relational challenges, staff challenges, the whole world shifting and it was like: Chris, do you want to keep your foot on the gas? I could cruise Ive got so much momentum from 30-odd years of serving Jesus. Deuteronomy 32:30 says: One will put 1,000 to flight, two will put 10,000 to flight. For me, love would not have been enough to get married. Its not complicated. I respect your passion for exposing othersI have a similar passion around making sure people know the Bible for themselves so they can be appropriately discerning and have a solid foundation rooted in THEIR OWN knowledge (and not what someone else says or teaches), as I believe faith grows by hearing the word YOURSELF. The Lord convicted me about that through Ms Caines message, and I will forever be grateful to Him for the message and to her for being the vessel. They are never mentioned apart. 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